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. eric, send it to you inside. >> thank you, rick. the army-navy football rivalry kicked off 122 years ago. and today they are set to square off once again. in the book when saturday mattered most, author mark beach talks about memorable army season and the importance of this game. joining us now is the author mark beach. 1991 west point graduate and "sports illustrated" editor and writer. i want to talk about that game. you point out it's the last college football game of the season. only game played on this saturday. why is that important? >> that's important because this game was tremendously important in the landscape of college football for more than half of the 20th century and it's still something that everybody in the college football world looks forward to on their calendar. it's the end of the business part of college football season and the beginning of the bowl season. army-navy game in its hay day was a bowl of its own. and to the guy who play today it's certainly the same. >> interesting title. when saturday mattered most. saturday still matters though, doesn't it? >> sat
to have -- he said a qualified arms person are they going to find navy seals? who could have stopped this guy? he was wearing body armor with three huge weapons on him. who could have stopped this guy. >> somebody with a gun. >> no. >> somebody would have a gun could have stopped this guy. >> special forces come out, interview with special forces gentleman from afghanistan said this is a ridiculous plan. to arthur's point this is a ridiculous plan because we train night and day to be able to shoot effectively. and this isn't a gun range. it's a crazy, yelling, screaming scenario with a lot of other people are going to get killed in thiessen narrows. we need someone qualified. where are we going to find them and is it practical? >> we have to hire people. some schools already have security guards that i'm sure aren't armed. why can't we train them how to use the gun? why can't we trains the principal. >> lightning is not going to strike twice i don't think we can't fight fire without fire. we can't put a price tag on these little kid's lives. >> you are talking about training teachers
. colonel ravel -- ralph peters. great to have you on board sir. >> using that navy terminology on me, juliet. let's talk about some of his greatest achievements. >> norman schwarzkopf was a american hero i never had the privilege of working for him myself. he was the right man in the right place at the right time for desert storm he was one of those increasingly rare generals who won his war. apart from the brilliant military operation desert storm. his real contribution. his unique contribution is that because he grew up in the middle east and spent time there he he understood the mentality and culture. he was able to per said the sad did is to allow half a million on the soil of saudi arabia without which the campaign wouldn't have worked. beyond that, he was an officer who really understood that sometimes you have to fight in vietnam he was courageous officer with three silver stars and other awards for battlefield heroism not just for pushing papers. schwarzkopf did anger people. >> juliet: storm minute norman. >> his thought was i don't have time for fools. if i can win this war
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